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+feature: no-nested-with
+start-date: 2021-01-11
+author: Alain Zscheile (@zseri)
+co-authors: @sternenseemann
+shepherd-team: (names, to be nominated and accepted by RFC steering committee)
+shepherd-leader: (name to be appointed by RFC steering committee)
+related-issues: (will contain links to implementation PRs)
+---
+
+# Summary
+[summary]: #summary
+
+Disallow or discourage usage of multiple `with` expressions covering
+the same expression / forbid nesting `with` expressions, even indirectly.
+If infeasible in general (e.g. forbidding it in all nix expressions),
+this can be limited to nixpkgs.
+
+# Motivation
+[motivation]: #motivation
+
+It makes static analysis of nixpkgs easier, because as soon as `with`
+expressions are nested, it becomes basically impossible to [statically
+deduce where any free variable comes from] without implementing a
+full-blown nix evaluator including lazy evaluation, which is difficult as
+soon as `with` expressions and mutually recursive imports are involved
+(e.g. as currently present in `nixpkgs/lib/systems/{inspect,parse}.nix`).
+
+# Detailed design
+[design]: #detailed-design
+
+At least warn about any nested usage of `with` expressions,
+at least when they get evaluated, possibly even when they get parsed.
+After a grace period ("real time", probably a few months or years, not as in
+"a timeout when interpreting" because that wouldn't make sense),
+abort instead.
+
+When the full approach (aborting instead of warning) is applied,
+any reference to any free variable can be easily resolved
+to the enclosing `with` expression "scope-include", and because
+this `with` expression couldn't then be enclosed by another
+one, even indirectly, no lookup ambiguity exists.
+
+# Examples and Interactions
+[examples-and-interactions]: #examples-and-interactions
+
+```nix
+pkgs: {
+  # allowed
+  a = with pkgs; patchelf;
+
+  # disallowed
+  b = with pkgs; with lib; patchelf;
+
+  # also disallowed
+  c = with pkgs; {
+    meta = with lib; {
+      license = with licenses; [ mit ];
+    };
+  };
+}
+```
+
+# Drawbacks
+[drawbacks]: #drawbacks
+
+* Backward-incompatible, requires changing Nix code used "in the wild".
+
+# Alternatives
+[alternatives]: #alternatives
+
+* Introduce a kind of `with-only` expression which allows bringing an attrset
+  into scope while simultaneously hiding the outer scope, such that all
+  inner free variables are either resolved via the given attrset, or
+  result in an error.
+  Similar to this is [RFC 110](https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/110),
+  which introduces an `inherit-as-list` construct which solves the primary
+  application of `with-only`, list specification in `meta` attributes of
+  nixpkgs derivatons.
+
+* Completely ban the usage of `with` in nixpkgs;
+  seems unnecessarily excessive for this problem.
+
+# Unresolved questions
+[unresolved]: #unresolved-questions
+
+Decide if this is enough.
+
+e.g.
+* Mutually recursive imports combined with `with` expressions also make static
+  analysis harder, because they require lazyness at the level of scope lookups,
+  which is difficult to implement corrently. e.g. [nix2js#2](https://github.com/YZITE/nix2js/issues/2)
+* Check if any use case is too much negatively impacted by this.
+
+# Future work
+[future]: #future-work
+
+* Static analyzers and transpilers for Nix