Any changes to LV426PT2 NPCs movment speed breaks NPC movement and objective prompt vanishes

[ghramsey]

I'm a bit frustrated with this. I managed to happily speed up the NPCs in LV426. They run instead of just turtling along.
This is fine until the transition to the 2nd half. Soon as the transition finishes they all just freeze in place. The only thing
I've set is move=3 which is run in all of their cmd_goto settings. This works in one but not the other. That's very confusing.

[MattFiler]

Odd! I wonder if something else is overriding it somewhere? Are there any other locomotion modifier entities pointing to them?

[MattFiler]

I'll take a look this morning

[ghramsey]

I appreciated whatever you can do. I am still not sure if the issue is in part2 or carrying over from Pt1 to Pt2.

I just discovered something new though. I've been under the assumption that the NPCs were stuck since they were not following me all the way to the Space Jockey. Seems that was false assumption on my part. They were either merely delayed to "normal" speed (once past the first triggerbox inside the derilict there's a collision barrier so I could not look) or teleported on some timer. I went away at the ledge where I need Meeks to boost me. He was nowhere in sight the whole way to that point. I came back probably 10m later and he was there crouched and waiting. So maybe like in M2 where Axel teleports to you when you get past a certain distance. All of the characters have a goto set with a setting of 6 as well as min and max move speed settings. So when I wake up later I'm going to set all those movement from 1 which is walk to 3 which is run. And see if I catch them running up behind me after time. It's bedtime now though; 145am.

This finding though doesn't negate the initial issue of them being stuck upon transition to the 2nd map.
Maybe I'll live with it if they do eventually teleport though.

[MattFiler]

The objective is triggered by the SetPrimaryObjective entity in the SCRIPT_STORYMISSION composite called PRIMOBJ_FindSourceOfSignal. It's not hooked up to anything but I assume it's just being triggered on reset.

RE how the NPCs are moving, they're just following a spline by the looks of it & going up to 4 points ahead on the spline from the player's position. Have you tried using CHR_LocomotionModifier or NPC_SetLocomotionTargetSpeed to set their walk speed? The former has Must_Run which is a bool, and also has individual options for being able to walk etc which you could disable.

[ghramsey]

I confirmed that just waiting for Meeks does seems to work around the whole issue. He shows up over a few minutes time even if
I set the characters to run through the CMD_FollowUsingJobs fastest_allowed_move_type and slowest_allowed_move-type
ENUMs set MOVE to 3 which is run. This is what I set on the first half and they all sprint along. They don't seem to be obeying this
setting in the 2nd map. Seems to point to your original comment about something overriding it.

So that objective is being satisfied upon entering the 2nd part of the mission; the 2nd map. They move forward on a spline and it's linked to a movement Jobs. Any clue as to what sets the movement Job into motion? That is what is breaking. The objective is a trigger for their movement. If it's on_reset there's something else disconnecting.

I used CHR_Locomotionmodifer can_run set to checked on Marlow which lets the player run.
I'm not aware of that NPC_SetLocomotionTargetSpeed setting. Where do I look for it?

[ghramsey]

The objective is triggered by the SetPrimaryObjective entity in the SCRIPT_STORYMISSION composite called PRIMOBJ_FindSourceOfSignal. It's not hooked up to anything but I assume it's just being triggered on reset.
I think the PRIMOBJ in PT2 is a success carried over from the previous map. Since the PRIMOBJ is Find the Signal from the start of the whole level.

In any case this, entire mission is being hosed whenever I edit PT2. Even a tiny change now breaks the NPCs' initial movement.
I reverted to a stock default, unaltered LV426_PT2 file and edited only two things: The CHR Locomotion modifier to allow running
on the player which usually works without issue and the speechscript for Marlow when he gets close to the beacon. The same issue
is still happening for this minor change as well.

And I just experienced an issue where it was crashing the game just loading into PT2 map with the vanilla game files.
I reverted the Commands.Pak and Models.MVR which were edited but another file is edited too; REDS.BIN.
What does that file do ? Maybe it's related.

[ghramsey]

The CHR_LocomotionModifier is setup for the player under archetype/npc/actors/spacesuit_player.
I could not find where the NPC_SetLocomotionTargetSpeed is setup anywhere by default. If it is at all.
I'm going to take a wild guess that the NPC SetupLocomotionTargetSpeed goes on the characters as defined
the same archetype/npc/actors/ section for each character. Neither of these settings exist on the characters stock.

If I want to setup the CHR_locomotion modifiers for the characters I'll need to manually define all the bindings and triggers.
I can use the spacesuit_player as a template for the others' settings. Looks like it's triggered through finished spawning and
finished respawning on each character as a function. There's a problem though that Foster does not have this function
called character as all the others do. She's set up some other method. I did however attempt to setup the other
3 NPCs and there was no effect.

I have no idea of the correct bindings and triggers to setup for the NPC SetupLocomotionTargetSpeed. I tried duplcating
the same bindings and triggers as the CHR_locomotionmodifier, but there was no effect.

I think this is a blind alley. I need to find something less involved.

Thank you for your help. I'm just going to mess with some other way of doing this.

[ghramsey]

This whole saga gets weird now; I figured out that the 2nd part of M9 does load after substantial delay.
Something close to a full minute for soem reason.

Anyway, I remain highly confused by this mission. I reverted to a stock LV426_PT2 editing only the CHR Locomotion can_run modifier.
I saved. And loaded in to the mission. It worked fine. I exited the game and made on additional change. I edited the delay
for [F0-F9-AA-04] m13_pt2_scene_1 (CAGEAnimation) which I believe to be the final cut scene. I changed it from 40 sec to 10.
I saved and loaded up the game and into the mission. This small change breaks the characters' initial movement.

I have to say this now W-T-F ? Editing the delay back to 40 and saving does not undo the issue.
So something is being saved and not un-done. Not sure it's related, but saving the COMMANDS.PAK file
also saves a MODELS.MVR and REDS.BIN. I understand the MVR is Mover but the latter file I've yet to
encounter as such until now. Is it perhaps related however remotely.
If I load in the working file and save it w/o altering it, it no longer works when loaded in. Maybe the MVR file?

[ghramsey]

With many thanks to JeffCat I have solved this problem with the frozen NPCs.
Or rather Jeff made a custom GoTo movement binding to 'brute force' the NPCs' movement.
While the source of the issue is unknown the movement problem is solved.

Thanks again JeffCat.